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[07:43]<@Mulreay> The new YouTube artwork layout is dumb
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[11:09]<@BC_Programming> Oh wow.... Grade A beeeatch right there
[11:09]<@Mulreay> Sorry, should I go?
[11:10]<@BC_Programming> No no
[11:10]<@BC_Programming> will explain
[11:10]<@BC_Programming> it's sick, I think you will agree
[11:10]<@BC_Programming> PyCon: Conversation by audience members. One guy is talking to a woman who actually isn't a developer about the seminars
[11:11]<@BC_Programming> Second guy get's into the conversation. In the courseo f which he makes a joke that "he would fork that guy's repo anyday" which was meant in terms of the fact that he was planning on doing just t hat- forking his source repo
[11:11]<@BC_Programming> Also made some sort of joke about dongles
[11:11]<@BC_Programming> apparently the woman was offended so she did the only thing she could do
[11:12]<@BC_Programming> take a picture, use her weight on twitter, and get that guy banned from every single python convention afterwards as well as getting that father of three fired from the job he loves
[11:13]<@BC_Programming> the specific jokes were because all three of them had some sort of hardware dongle for security, and the guy said "my dongle is bigger than your dongle"
[11:13]<@BC_Programming> apparently that was "sexist" and "inappropriate"
[11:14]<@BC_Programming> nevermind it was true... because for some reason they differed in size... NO! SHE MUST FIGHT!
[11:15]<@Mulreay> Sad thing is she will probably go home thinking she has triumphed
[11:15]<@BC_Programming> http://butyoureagirl.com/14015/forking-and-dongle-jokes-dont-belong-at-tech-conferences/
[11:15]<@BC_Programming> It's is insanely self-inflatory... she thinks the world of her actions... it's sickening
[11:16]<@BC_Programming> Not everybody agrees, however: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=5398681
[11:18]<@BC_Programming> apparently the guy was fired because of "sexual harassment" whereas nobody else that was there seems to remember it quite as the woman does
[11:20]<@BC_Programming> "I'd fork that guy's repo" and "my dongle is bigger than your dongle" are not sexual harassment. Sher's probably pissed off that everybody was talking about Python rather than the new shampoo she was using
[11:21]<@Mulreay> See that's sexist
[11:22]<@BC_Programming> but given what she is writing, it's the truth. She had no place there... she's not a developer, why was she at a development conference?
[11:23]<@BC_Programming> at least she was fired. Too, eventually\
[11:29]<@Mulreay> Shame for the other guy though
[11:30]<@BC_Programming> it would be like if somebody dropped into this channel, recorded some of our conversations where we make jokes, and then got one of us fired
[11:30]<@BC_Programming> of course they can't get me fired but you see what I mean lol
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[11:31]<Mulreay_phone> Your fired
[11:31]<@BC_Programming> no, I'm BC_Programming
[11:31]<@Mulreay> I don't know how to use ' quickly on my phone
[11:32]<@BC_Programming> fair enough
[11:32]<+camerongray> lol yeah, saw that at uni
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[11:32]<+camerongray> BC_Programming: Mulreay already saw this - Look what I spotted in Poundland today: http://t.co/Y7NXJHD9D3
[11:32]<@BC_Programming> yeah I saw that
[11:33]<@BC_Programming> It's poundland, what do you expect
[11:33]<+camerongray> lol, they can be good on some stuff
[11:33]<+camerongray> Like 3 cans of irn bru for £1
[11:33]<+camerongray> 2l bottle of irn bru for £1
[11:33]<@BC_Programming> a can of that here is like 1.50
[11:33]<@Mulreay> Heh have you seen the new advert camerongray?
[11:33]<+camerongray> nope :P
[11:33]<@Mulreay> one sec
[11:35]<@Mulreay> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9UprxM_aBWk
[11:36]<@BC_Programming> lol
[11:36]<+camerongray> Awesome!
[11:38]<@Mulreay> I do like my Irn Bru thogh
[11:38]<+camerongray> yeah, same
[11:41]<@Mulreay> I like how the 'sugar fee' Irn bru tastes exactly the same as normal.. that's how good it is
[11:41]<@Mulreay> free*
[11:41]<+camerongray> I can taste the difference though :P
[11:41]<@Mulreay> Not like coke to diet coke though
[11:42]<@BC_Programming> it costs like 4 times as much as any other type of soft drink here
[11:43]<+camerongray> true
[11:48]<+camerongray> I never knew a ceilidh for Informatics would be so popular
[11:48]<@Mulreay> Nice random video http://www.wimp.com/helpingout/
[11:48]<+camerongray> Tickets sold out within 1 hour
[11:49]<+camerongray> nice!
[11:50]<@BC_Programming> I'm fecking sick of everybody else not getting up until afternoon and saying I'M lazy
[11:50]<@BC_Programming> wankers
[11:52]<@Mulreay> I know your up at 1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8, and sometimes 9,10,11 AM
[11:52]<@BC_Programming> depends when I decide to sleep... sometimes I'm up all night because that's the only time it's actually quiet enough to hear myself think
[11:52]<@BC_Programming> otherwise it's droll discussion about stupid television shows
[11:53]<@BC_Programming> the other day they were watching that IDIOTIC "bible" series on history channel... the fact that it's on the 'history' channel is insulting
[11:53]<@Mulreay> haha
[11:56]<@Mulreay> Are your family religous then?
[11:56]<@BC_Programming> lol no that's the weird thing
[11:56]<@BC_Programming> Step-dad is atheist... Don't know WTF my mum is supposed to be
[11:57]<@Mulreay> How about your brother?
[11:57]<@BC_Programming> pretty sure he's atheist as well
[11:58]<@Mulreay> Seems we probably have a full deck
[11:58]<@BC_Programming> I know my mum is anti-science in the stupidest of ways and it pisses me off
[11:59]<@Mulreay> ahh
[11:59]<@Mulreay> anti-science?
[11:59]<@BC_Programming> "how do we know the Earth is 4.5 billion years old, nobody was there"... she doesn't think it's younger, she's just trying to say that apparently if nobody was there than we don't "know" things
[12:00]<@BC_Programming> my counter-point was of course "evidence. Mountains on mountains of evidence"
[12:01]<@Mulreay> Yeah, you can never underestimate the predictabilty of stupidity.. Nothing against your Mother.
[12:01]<@BC_Programming> I burned "the god delusion", stepdad loved it
[12:02]<@BC_Programming> the one part where the Muslim guy says he "hates atheists" the most
[12:02]<@BC_Programming> my mum was like "you know when he says he hates atheists he really means he hates catholics"
[12:02]<@BC_Programming> and I'm like.. WTF?
[12:05]<@Mulreay> I'm as much an atheist as the Pope and any other religious leader be it Muslim and all the others. I don't believe in all gods, they don't believe in all (2500) but there own.
[12:05]<@BC_Programming> quite
[12:07]<@BC_Programming> I remember somebody I didn't like was saying "How can you believe nothing happens after you die"
[12:07]<@BC_Programming> and I said "well, I can say that after you die there might be some celebrations"
[12:07]<@Mulreay> Easily nothing happened in my mind before I was born
[12:07]<@BC_Programming> yeah
[12:08]<@BC_Programming> haha
[12:08]<@BC_Programming> http://imgur.com/38O9fxV
[12:08]<@Mulreay> lol
[12:11]<@BC_Programming> >:(
[12:11]<@BC_Programming> http://www.parl.gc.ca/HouseChamberBusiness/ChamberVoteDetail.aspx?Language=E&Mode=1&Parl=41&Ses=1&Vote=631&GroupBy=party&FltrParl=41&FltrSes=1
[12:14]<@Mulreay> I get asked 'if you don't believe in afterlife then you must be scared' Well yeah to be fair as every animal fears death. I can't do anything about it and when my body dies it will simply shut off.. there will be no 'OK this was a little unexpected' stood infront of a gate on a cloud. What will happen is my body will die, I will turn off and for eternity I will never think nor exist again.
[12:14]<@Mulreay> It's that simple. My atoms will return to the universe and the universe will slowly fade out of existance as it cools. Then... it's done.. entropy wins and the universe dies.
[12:15]<@BC_Programming> I think for some reason the idea of non-existence is so scary they seek the comfort of mythos that support an idea of existence beyond... but for which there is no evidence
[12:15]<@Mulreay> Agreed
[12:16]<+Tux2> Heh, well, I could comment, but I'll keep my opinion to myself.
[12:16]<@BC_Programming> fiar enough Tux2 :)
[12:16]<@BC_Programming> fair*
[12:16]<+camerongray> hey Tux2
[12:16]<@BC_Programming> shut up meg
[12:16]<+Tux2> Hey guys
[12:17]<+camerongray> Tux2: What experience do you have with X11?
[12:17]<+Tux2> Linux X windowing manager? What about it?
[12:17]<@Mulreay> Tux2 just to say you don't have to keep your comments to yourself.
[12:18]<@BC_Programming> I remember somebody trying to bluff their knowledge of X100
[12:18]<+Tux2> lol Mulreay, I've already stated my opinion here before to you guys, and I don't want to incite a huge discussion at the moment.
[12:18]<@BC_Programming> X11*
[12:19]<@BC_Programming> they said "I like X11 better than X10"
[12:19]<+Tux2> *facehoof*
[12:19]<+camerongray> I have a USB displayLink monitor and a laptop's internal LCD - I have them all set up for multiple displays in Xorg.conf.d/ but when I have the USB monitor unplugged KDE starts on the internal display and with it plugged in KDE displays on the USB one but I can't get it on both
[12:19]<@BC_Programming> it goes without saying I don't think they even knew what X11 was...
[12:19]<+Tux2> camerongray: have you tried xrandr
[12:20]<+camerongray> Nope, just using Xinerama or whatever it is, I've heard it has issues though
[12:20]<+camerongray> How do you set up xrandr
[12:20]<+Tux2> Ah
[12:20]<+Tux2> it's a tray utility
[12:21]<+camerongray> Ahh, hmm
[12:21]<+camerongray> So I turn off Xinermana
[12:22]<+camerongray> ?
[12:24]<+Tux2> Yeah, and install xrandr
[12:24]<+Tux2> I've never really had to mess with it that much when I used opensuse, as it just worked for me
[12:25]<+Tux2> And Linux Mint is just as easy
[12:25]<+camerongray> Ahh, I'm on Arch :P
[12:25]<+Tux2> lol, you're also using kde
[12:25]<+camerongray> I like KDE :P
[12:25]<+camerongray> Much prefer it to Gnome 3
[12:26]<+Tux2> lol, ditto
[12:26]<+Tux2> Although I'm using the cinnamon desktop
[12:27]<+camerongray> Yeah, I like cinnamon but still seem to prefer KDE
[12:28]<+camerongray> Running xrandr from terminal only lists the USB monitor (Which I;m currently using
[12:28]<@Mulreay> Pizza for Dinner
[12:28]<+Tux2> hmm...
[12:28]<+camerongray> Also, i need nomodeset for the usb one and not for the internal
[12:29]<+Tux2> what does your xconfig file look like?
[12:29]<+camerongray> 2 secs
[12:31]<+camerongray> http://pastebin.com/7ciV4qGd
[12:32]<+Tux2> lol... there's your problem
[12:32]<+Tux2> switch lines 22 and 30
[12:32]<+Tux2> 23 and 30*
[12:33]<+camerongray> Hmm, from what I read they had to be that way round
[12:33]<+camerongray> will try though
[12:33]<+Tux2> Actually, never mind
[12:33]<+Tux2> lines 37 and 38
[12:33]<+Tux2> those need to be changed
[12:34]<+camerongray> swap them or change the screen numbers>
[12:35]<+Tux2> Screen 0 "screen1"
[12:35]<+Tux2> Screen 1 "screen0" RightOf "screen1"
[12:35]<+camerongray> still the same :(
[12:36]<+Tux2> did you reboot?
[12:36]<+camerongray> restarted x
[12:36]<+Tux2> try a full reboot
[12:37]<+camerongray> kk
[12:39]<+camerongray> same as before
[12:41]<+Tux2> Hmm... okay, revert lines 37 and 38, just swap lines 23 and 30 now
[12:41]<+camerongray> Will do, got to go for food will be back soon
[12:41]<+Tux2> Remember, if x does fail to start, you still have the command line
[12:41]<+camerongray> Could it be the nomodeset? If the monitor is connected I need to use it to get into KDE, if the monitor isn't connected it STOPS me from getting into KDE
[12:42]<+Tux2> Not quite sure
[12:42]<+Tux2> I've never had to dig into it that deeply
[12:42]<+camerongray> hmm, will bbl
[12:43]<+Tux2> I think the most I've ever done is getting my mouse to work and setting screen resolutions my monitor could do
[12:53]<@Mulreay> Pepperoni Pizza for dinner with onion rings... just saying
[12:56]<+Tux2> lol
[13:04]<@BC_Programming> the sad song of the powerful fan... "Do you know, what's it's like to be built this way... with only the power to push others away"
[13:48]<@BC_Programming> lol the Visual Studio .NET installer proves some peeps at MS have a sense of humour
[13:48]<@BC_Programming> https://twitter.com/jongalloway/status/315186407712899072/photo/1
[14:11]<@BC_Programming> Tux2:Any feedback on the app?
[14:25]<+Tux2> BC_Programming: I'll call John
[14:26]<+Tux2> See what's going on
[14:32]<+Tux2> BC_Programming: they're saying it doesn't work on windows 7...
[14:33]<@BC_Programming> I
[14:33]<@BC_Programming> am using Win7
[14:33]<+Tux2> Do you happen to have a windows 7 disk you could use to do a fresh install of win 7?
[14:33]<@BC_Programming> Sorry I got involved at this point
[14:33]<+Tux2> In a vm of course
[14:34]<@BC_Programming> I'll see if it works on my laptop though
[14:35]<@BC_Programming> Windows 7 doesn't come with .NET 4.0 afaik
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[14:49]<@BC_Programming> someone is having connection issues I reckon
[14:52]<@BC_Programming> well in any case it works on Windows 8 once I get the prerequisites installed
[15:00]<@BC_Programming> I may dissappear myself since I'm starting VMWare and my secondary hard drive is likely to dissappear as a result
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[15:11]<@BC_Programming> Tux2: didn't work on win8, had to install prerequisites, but then it worked. Win7 said it needed .NET 4 when I tried on my VM install which doesn't have much installed, so I'm installing the requisites now to see if it works
[15:12]<+Tux2> Okay, gotcha BC_Programming
[15:13]<+Tux2> I'm still downloading the win 7 ISO from my backup server
[15:13]<@Mulreay> I'm not that hungry.. but ill give it a go... http://img19.imageshack.us/img19/1479/20130322211038.jpg
[15:15]<@BC_Programming> I imagine they meant it crashed, could just mean it didn't have the desired effect to keep mounted volumes authenticated, or whatever the intention was
[15:16]<+Tux2> Yeah, I don't know what he means by it
[15:17]<+Tux2> He hasn't personally tried it, it's all been his boss
[15:17]<@BC_Programming> ahh
[15:19]<+Tux2> If it works for me I'm calling John myself and telling him that his boss is doing it wrong
[15:20]<+Tux2> Oh, I've got my server on this website: http://gamewise.co/games/24351/Minecraft/Servers/List-of-Servers
[15:21]<@BC_Programming> neat
[15:26]<@BC_Programming> It got it to reauth in a VM as well
[15:27]<@BC_Programming> so if it's a crash issue it's probably a missing requisite... could be that it doesn't have the intended effect, though I'm not sure why that would be
[15:34]<@BC_Programming> Browsers all have on thing in common: they are annoying
[15:45]<+Tux2> lol
[15:45]<+Tux2> Operating systems all have one thing in common: they're annoying
[15:45]<@BC_Programming> that too
[15:46]<+Tux2> You just pick the one that's least annoying to you
[15:46]<@BC_Programming> I had to use IE on the VM, which would have been slow enough if it didn't decide to congratulate itself with a new tab... can't blame it though, FF addins like to do that when they update
[15:46]<+Tux2> lol
[15:46]<@BC_Programming> I don't think chrome does anything like that though, now that I think about it
[15:47]<@BC_Programming> apparently the IE on the VM was "upgraded", though it was still IE8 so I think it was trying to trick me
[15:48]<+Tux2> heh
[15:57]<+Tux2> I'm installing windows 7 fresh and seeing what happens
[15:58]<+Tux2> Also, I don't doubt that your program works, I just doubt the proficiency of the tech at the other end
[15:58]<@BC_Programming> oh :S
[15:59]<@BC_Programming> Ahh I remember what I used this VM For, BASeBlock 2.3 is installed on it
[16:00]<+Tux2> lol
[16:00]<+Tux2> If I install windows 7 on this vm and get the program working perfectly first try I'm going to ream myself a CEO
[16:01]<@BC_Programming> it doesn't work on a clean install as is, crashes from .NET 4 not being installed, then the other requisites
[16:01]<+Tux2> lol, of course, I'll follow the readme
[16:02]<+Tux2> First try meaning "follow readme and install prerequisites"
[16:02]<@BC_Programming> I thought as much
[16:03]<+Tux2> I know you well enough to know how you do things. ;)
[16:12]<+camerongray> Tux2: Still can't get it to work, I'm installing arch on my ThinkPad now so if there is any fancy stuff needed it will at least be on the correct hardware
[16:12]<+camerongray> I was previously running it on an old HP nx7300 that I picked up dead cheap for testing things
[16:12]<+Tux2> ah
[16:13]<+Tux2> I'm waiting for this stupid windows installer to stop hogging my hard drive
[16:14]<+Tux2> It's times like this when you wish that you had a nice SSD drive
[16:21]<@BC_Programming> pretty sure my secondary drive has gone sour again
[16:23]<@BC_Programming> hmm or not, not sure what happened there
[16:23]<@BC_Programming> I blame firefox
[16:36]<+Tux2> heh
[16:53]<@BC_Programming> ahh here is something, the readme taks about the INI file and using password=, but the program actually uses loginpassword as the name. The settings in the program works fine if the INI file is missing though
[16:53]<@BC_Programming> or if it's changed with the menu instead of directly through the INI file
[16:59]<+Tux2> Heh
[17:19]<@Mulreay> I may have to delete Stargate.. all 77gb of it
[17:19]<@BC_Programming> only 77GB
[17:19]<@Mulreay> that's just sg1
[17:19]<@BC_Programming> mine is 73GB actually
[17:19]<+camerongray> Tux2: Got arch on the ThinkPad
[17:20]<+camerongray> I'm getting this error "cannot run in framebuffer mode. please specify busids"
[17:20]<@Mulreay> I have the films in HD as well in there
[17:20]<+camerongray> The USB display has a BusID but the LVDS doesn't, not sure what to put for it
[17:20]<@BC_Programming> ahh that would bulk it up
[17:21]<@Mulreay> OK deleting it
[17:21]<@BC_Programming> Why
[17:21]<@BC_Programming> MADNESS
[17:23]<@Mulreay> I'm regreting it already but I need the room
[17:25]<@Mulreay> Sigh.. done SG1 is no more
[17:25]<@Mulreay> I still have atlantis
[17:26]<@Mulreay> and TNG, Voyager and RD
[17:27]<@BC_Programming> memorial service
[17:28]<@Mulreay> Why did you not tell me to stop better? Damn regretting this now and as you know you can't put 70+gb in your recycle bin
[17:32]<@Mulreay> Oh I still have firefly as well
[17:34]<@Mulreay> I should say over the last few days I re-watched lots of Stargate and I can always download it again
[17:34]<@BC_Programming> aye
[17:36]<@Mulreay> I should get another drive
[17:36]<@BC_Programming> I need another drive, my Loyal BIGDISK has decided to associate itself with dangerous riff-raff
[17:37]<@Mulreay> I'm thinking two more 1tb drives
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[18:23]<+Tux2> BC_Programming: The remote server returned an error: 404 not found
[18:23]<@BC_Programming> what are you putting in as the server
[18:24]<+Tux2> https://csquared.sharepoint.com/c2test
[18:24]<@BC_Programming> that's the problem
[18:24]<@BC_Programming> https://csquared.sharepoint.com/
[18:24]<+Tux2> Ah, gotcha
[18:27]<+Tux2> An Error occured attempted to reauthenticate the Sharepoint Server: The communication object, System.ServiceModel,Channels.ServiceChannel, cannot be used for communication because it is in the Faulted state.
[18:28]<@BC_Programming> I had that too until I used the menu to change the settings
[18:28]<+Tux2> lol, whoops...
[18:28]<+Tux2> If no password is entered in the dialog box, don't reset the password.
[18:29]<@BC_Programming> the program uses loginpassword in the INI, but the readme.txt uses "password=" as an example
[18:29]<@BC_Programming> I think I changed it by accident when I refactored it
[18:29]<+camerongray> Tux...
[18:31]<+camerongray> I have everything set up but when I try to start x with the USB display, I get a message saying that it cannot start in frame buffer mode and to set busids. I have already got bus ids set for both the internal and USB displays.
[18:31]<+Tux2> Hmm... I can't help you there... google it, sorry...
[18:32]<+camerongray> lol, Google isn't helping :-P
[18:32]<+camerongray> will ask on a forum
[18:39]<+Tux2> Wow, I forgot how slow and clunky windows was
[18:39]<@BC_Programming> everything is when you run it in a VM
[18:39]<+Tux2> lol, yeah...
[18:39]<@BC_Programming> well except really old stuff I suppose
[18:39]<+Tux2> I should have given it 2 cores
[18:41]<+Tux2> I got ahold of the author of McMyAdmin finally
[18:41]<@BC_Programming> what did you need him for?
[18:42]<+Tux2> Oh, enterprise licensing for McMyAdmin
[18:42]<+Tux2> For < 100 servers, it's £35/mo, for 101-1000 servers it's £175/mo
[18:42]<@BC_Programming> ahh cool
[18:43]<+Tux2> lol, yeah, thing is, with all the extra overhead costs and such for doing those kinds of servers I'd have to raise my prices for VPS's with that installed 75%
[18:45]<@BC_Programming> mcmyadmin is like a sort of cpanel for Minecraft servers, iirc?
[18:57]<@BC_Programming> well at least this gave me ideas for my INI File class
[19:12]<+Tux2> yes, that it is BC_Programming
[20:11] * lucifer (lucifer@mib-D4FF3FA5.dsl.bright.net) Quit (Client exited)
[20:46]<@BC_Programming> nothin like chillin with a little Weird Al
[20:47]<@BC_Programming> of course the full size version would be nice but one cannot be picky
[20:47]<+Tux2> lol
[21:27]<+Tux2> BC_Programming: does the log file entry even do anything?
[21:28]<@BC_Programming> I removed it since it was causing IOExceptions when it was not specified and stuff
[21:30]<@BC_Programming> it was mostly dev stuff from when I kept getting those 403 errors
[21:47]<+Tux2> Ah, gotcha
[22:38]<+Tux2> BC_Programming: We've got a few bugs with the app
[22:38]<@BC_Programming> k
[22:39]<+Tux2> We've got a VPS set up exactly like the real environment
[22:39]<+Tux2> With a mapped drive and everything
[22:40]<@BC_Programming> have to update TeamViewer,
[22:40]<+Tux2> No problem, I'll install the permanent version of tv on this vps
[22:40]<+Tux2> that way you have a permanent password if you need to reboot
[23:45]<@BC_Programming> Well I'm out of ideas. Setting the Cookies directly through IE doesn't work
[23:45]<@BC_Programming> and is a bigger PITA than it ought to be
[23:45]<@BC_Programming> first I tried an Event that doesn't fire because apparently Documents never complete unless you can see them
[23:51]<@BC_Programming> I did find this:http://support.microsoft.com/kb/2563214?wa=wsignin1.0